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		<title>By: Jeremy-Gilby-dot-com &#187; Earth Day 2008: Global Warming Watch April 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy-Gilby-dot-com &#187; Earth Day 2008: Global Warming Watch April 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
		<link>http://twoheadedmonster.wordpress.com/2006/04/22/sado-environmentalism/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know.  What did we do to Bin Laden that warrants his actions?  They're nuts.  At least as far as we can comprehend.  Maybe it's our Judeo-Christian emphasis on the sanctity of human life.  Maybe they are posturing for maximum psychological impact.  

We have to decide, each of us, whether it is more important to grow at the expense of nature, or preserve nature at the expense of growth.  The right seems to have a belligerent desire for the former and left a naive (if not vindictive) desire for the later.

The problem for the left is that you can't ultimately preserve nature without everyone's buy in.  California enacting strict laws on pollution, recycling, etc will just drive business to other states.  And if the U.S. enacts it, it will drive business to other countries.  

As with most things it's a balancing act.  I am all in favor of zero population growth.  But who's going to go first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  What did we do to Bin Laden that warrants his actions?  They&#8217;re nuts.  At least as far as we can comprehend.  Maybe it&#8217;s our Judeo-Christian emphasis on the sanctity of human life.  Maybe they are posturing for maximum psychological impact.  </p>
<p>We have to decide, each of us, whether it is more important to grow at the expense of nature, or preserve nature at the expense of growth.  The right seems to have a belligerent desire for the former and left a naive (if not vindictive) desire for the later.</p>
<p>The problem for the left is that you can&#8217;t ultimately preserve nature without everyone&#8217;s buy in.  California enacting strict laws on pollution, recycling, etc will just drive business to other states.  And if the U.S. enacts it, it will drive business to other countries.  </p>
<p>As with most things it&#8217;s a balancing act.  I am all in favor of zero population growth.  But who&#8217;s going to go first?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://twoheadedmonster.wordpress.com/2006/04/22/sado-environmentalism/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, every cause has the fringe moonbat types.

But I'm looking at the timelines of this, and the crackpots I mention above were making quote like this before the movement really became populat (The late 80's was the real surge of enviro-junkies in my lifetime.)

As for the secularity, It depends on your definition of secular.
I've heard two:
1) Non-Religious
2) Religous, but not quite.

I refer to the second definition.  This belief of Gaia worship, which treats the planet as some sort of god, is what I'm referring to.

I guess my concern is, why did the human population do to these Sado-Environmentalists to make them hate us so much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, every cause has the fringe moonbat types.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m looking at the timelines of this, and the crackpots I mention above were making quote like this before the movement really became populat (The late 80&#8217;s was the real surge of enviro-junkies in my lifetime.)</p>
<p>As for the secularity, It depends on your definition of secular.<br />
I&#8217;ve heard two:<br />
1) Non-Religious<br />
2) Religous, but not quite.</p>
<p>I refer to the second definition.  This belief of Gaia worship, which treats the planet as some sort of god, is what I&#8217;m referring to.</p>
<p>I guess my concern is, why did the human population do to these Sado-Environmentalists to make them hate us so much?</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
		<link>http://twoheadedmonster.wordpress.com/2006/04/22/sado-environmentalism/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well come on now... Every worthy cause has a nut that was attracted to it that everyone wishes would just go away.  You may as well attack republicans because the KKK are conservatives too.

It's the same with endagered species.  Protecting the bald eagle when it was in danger of being extinct was a good cause I think (I'm sure legitimate arguments could be made against it, but for the sake of argument, give me this one).  But it attracted those that are extreme to the point of wanting no animals killed ever.  So now that there are plenty of bald eagles swooping around, pooping on your car, and scaring old ladies, it's time to take them off the list.  And reasonable people are ok with that.  But the nuts you attracted to the cause because it was a way to preserve animal life at any cost, are not ready to let go.  

Also, why do you refer to "save our planet" as a secular phrase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well come on now&#8230; Every worthy cause has a nut that was attracted to it that everyone wishes would just go away.  You may as well attack republicans because the KKK are conservatives too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with endagered species.  Protecting the bald eagle when it was in danger of being extinct was a good cause I think (I&#8217;m sure legitimate arguments could be made against it, but for the sake of argument, give me this one).  But it attracted those that are extreme to the point of wanting no animals killed ever.  So now that there are plenty of bald eagles swooping around, pooping on your car, and scaring old ladies, it&#8217;s time to take them off the list.  And reasonable people are ok with that.  But the nuts you attracted to the cause because it was a way to preserve animal life at any cost, are not ready to let go.  </p>
<p>Also, why do you refer to &#8220;save our planet&#8221; as a secular phrase?</p>
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